00:00:00Helen Blackwell (#867) Transcript
SP: Today is Wednesday May 9, 2007. My name is Sandy Pfahler and I'm interviewer
with the University of Wisconsin Madison Oral History Project. Today, I am
interviewing Dr. Helen Blackwell, Assistant Professor in the UW-Madison
Chemistry Department. Good morning.
HB: Hi.
SP: We're going to start this interview by asking you if you would talk about
your early life. Where and when you were born, where you went to elementary
school, high school, were there any people in your life, family or friends, who
influenced you on your career path?
HB: OK, so I was born in 1972 in Cleveland, Ohio. And I grew up on the east side
of Cleveland. I lived in Shaker Heights, Ohio, which is a suburb of Cleveland. I
went to the public schools there. Went to Onaway Elementary School named after
an Indian tribe that it was in the area. And I then went on to the high school,
so Shaker Heights High School, there after middle school. I guess I always liked
00:01:00my science classes a lot, a tremendous amount. I always sort of did well in
those. I did well in math. I did well in science and those were my favorite classes.
I remember a time capsule that we-- in elementary school, that we put into the
ground outside Onaway. I have no idea if it's ever been dug up yet, but I
remember actually, we were recorded. Very similar to this. And we had to say
what we wanted to be when we grew up, and I said I wanted to be a scientist. So
it's kind of interesting that I'm here now being a scientist.
Yeah, so people who had an influence on me during that time period. I had great
teachers who were really motivated, who had an endless sort of enthusiasm for
science. And then my father is a chemist, so that also had an effect on me. No
one else in my family is scientifically inclined. They're all artists and
musicians, but my dad is a scientist, so I think that kind of inspired me a bit
and he was always very supportive. So that sort of shaped my early years before
00:02:00I want to college.
SP: What did your mother do?
HB: She was a music teacher in the public schools and then just a freelance
musician. She plays the oboe.
SP: Did you have any brothers and sister?
HB: I have one brother who is two years older than me, Martin, and he is a
historian. And he is a professor in Georgia.
SP: So it was understood that you would be going to college?
HB: Yes. It was pretty much understood that we would go. My parents were the
first ones in their families to go to college, but it was definitely assumed
that my brother and I would be going.
SP: And how did you decide where you ended up in college?
HB: Well I want to care someplace-- I wanted to go to a small college. My
brother went to Kenyon College in Ohio, which is a small liberal arts school.
And I wanted to go to also, a small liberal arts college. And I wanted to go
someplace which had a strong science program. I wasn't absolutely sure that I
wanted to do science. I mean that's what I felt I would like to do, but liberal
00:03:00arts education kind of exposes you to a bit of everything. And then, I also,
because my mom is very musical, I enjoy music. So I wanted to go someplace,
which had strong music. So I went to Oberlin College in Ohio, which has
extremely strong science program, even stronger now than it was then. And also
it has a conservancy of music. I didn't really participate in that very much,
but it was there and there was a very rich sort of musical world around there.
So that helped me in my decision to go there.
SP: Talk about your college experience. Did you have good professors?
HB: I did. So I got there and I took-- you know, I felt I wanted to be probably
in chemistry, but I wasn't sure so I took a sort of diversity of classes my
first year. But I made sure I took general chemistry. Because well, if I'm going
to major in this, it'd probably be good to get that out the way. So I took that
and I just loved it. And the teachers were fabulous. Just really supportive and
it was a very challenging curriculum. It's not an easy major to do. But they
00:04:00were really supportive of me and it was very close knit environment. Only like
11 faculty. But a lot of majors for the number of-- for the size of the school,
like 4,000 people. There'd be, you know, 40 majors or something like that, which
is pretty good for chemistry. And just by the end of my first year, I just knew
that's what I wanted to do, so I signed on and became a major at that point. I
never doubted it after that. I really just loved it. I just sort of ate it up.
SP: Did you know that you wanted to be an academic chemist?
HB: I think I did. The reason I did is because one thing, which was unique about
Oberlin is it had this thing called a winter term project. So you got out of
school in December and then all of your January was free and then you started
school again in February. And in that January term, you had to have sort of an
independent project, which you could make up. And people did crazy things for
this. But I always did science because I liked science. So I went and worked in
labs and I went and worked at Case Western Reserve, which is in Cleveland. It's
00:05:00a university there, and I worked in a lab there. And I started doing that my
freshman year. And I just loved it. And I loved working in the lab and I was in
a-- Oberlin's just an undergraduate institution. But Case Western is a graduate
institution. So I saw like the life of graduate students and that this is what
they did. And I really thought it was great. I wanted to go to graduate school
and maybe be in that environment. So it was pretty early on I decided that I
knew I definitely would want to go to graduate school.
SP: Then when you graduated from college, how did you decide where you wanted to
go to graduate school?
HB: Well I applied to a few places and I knew actually, since I grew up in Ohio
and I went to college, I wanted to get as far away from Ohio as possible at that
point. So I wanted to go to California. So I applied to a lot of schools in
California for graduate school. I applied to very good chemistry programs there.
And I was lucky to get accepted to California Institute of Technology in
Pasadena, which has a very strong chemistry program. And there were a number of
00:06:00researchers there where I was really excited about their work, and if I went
there, I would have loved to work with any of them. So it was pretty clear cut
that once I got accepted there that that was where I would go.
SP: And did you have a pretty good idea then-- you said that there were
researchers there that you knew you wanted to work with. What was it about them that--
HB: Well, I liked-- when I was an undergraduate I was really interested in
macromolecular systems. So what does that mean? So a molecule is just like a
little molecule. A macromolecule is really big. So it's a big molecule. And I
was interested in polymers. That's the kind of research I did when I was an
undergrad. And then there were a lot of faculty at Caltech that were interested
in that area. And I was just interested in polymer chemistry because it allowed
you to do synthesis, like to make molecules, which I really enjoyed. But it also
allowed you to study their function. Like, what kind of properties did they
00:07:00have? Were they good for codings? Were they good with strength? Did they have
good sort of elasticity? Things like that.
I like this concept of structure and function, so I wanted to go some place
where I could sort of work with people interested in that same area.
Interesting, I did nothing like that for my PhD. That's what I was interested in
at that point.
SP: Well then talk about your graduate work.
HB: Yeah, so for my graduate work I worked with a professor called Bob Grubbs.
So I joined his lab in 1994 and at that point they had just developed some
really interesting chemistry, which they were studying a new reaction. And I'll
just say the reaction, then I'll explain it. It's called olefin metathesis. And
what is this? This is a reaction where you just make-- it's a new way, a very,
very power way to make carbon-carbon bonds. And the world is made up of
carbon-carbon bonds, like proteins are made up of carbon-carbon bonds. Very
strong things, diamonds are made of graphite carbon-carbon bonds. Those are very
stable things. Really useful reactions in organic chemistry are those which make
00:08:00carbon-carbon bonds. And if you look back through the history of all the Nobel
Prizes in chemistry, especially synthetic chemistry, people who develop
reactions to make like new ways to make carbon-carbon bonds, usually end up
getting the Nobel Prize. Amazingly, my PhD advisor got the Noble Prize two years
ago. I had no idea about this. So it's really, pretty cool.
Anyways, so they had just developed it, so it was a really exciting time to join
the lab. The sky was the limit. Who knows what we could do with this reaction.
So I went in there and I made all sorts of different small molecules and big
molecules. And I wasn't really doing any polymer chemistry, even though you
could use this reaction to make polymers. I was making more sort of small,
organic molecules and sort of interesting molecules that were peptide based. And
sort of exploring the scope and limitations of this reaction. It was great. It
was a wonderful five years.
SP: Were there female professors in the chemistry department there?
HB: There were two.
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SP: Did you have a chance to work with them?
HB: I had one who was on my PhD thesis committee, who-- her name is Barbara
Imperiali. And then I actually had another one. Both of them were on my PhD
committee at the end, but I only really interacted with one of them the most,
Barbara Imperiali. She was a tough cookie, she was very tough. But she was very
inspiring person. So it was good to have her.
SP: Well talk about what life is like as a graduate student. You said that you
saw it as Case Western Reserve and that's what you wanted. What is it like?
HB: Well it's a very intense period of time, and if you're doing organic
chemistry, you spend a lot of time in the lab working in the lab. Because it's a
very intensive-- a lot of times when you do a reaction it doesn't work. So you
have to spend a lot of time optimizing it and figuring it out why it doesn't
work. And it's a lot of puzzles that you have to solve. Things work only about
5% of the time, so there's a lot of stress and strain trying to get there. What
00:10:00I liked so much about it was that you were in charge, you were the boss, you
were kind of driving things. And the sky was kind of the limit. If you were
inspired, you could take this to the next level. And I liked that aspect of it.
And my advisor gave me a lot of freedom to do that, which I was very, very happy
to have.
SP: Now here you were in sunny California, far away from home. Did you have a
life outside of the lab when you were in grad school?
HB: Yeah, I did. It was a very close-knit group of people in the chemistry
department. So we had a life outside of lab, but it was mostly with people who
were in the chemistry department. So my husband, who's my husband now, was in
the same group as I. So you know, we worked in the lab, but we try to keep
things separate in the lab. But you know, I had him as sort of resource outside
of lab.
SP: Did you pretty much work in isolation though, in the lab?
HB: No, you're working in a group, so I had a project where I was working with a
number of people all the time. So it was very sort of team oriented to some
00:11:00extent. You had a defined aspect of the project, which was yours, but it fit
into a larger scheme of things. So that was really good too. And it was a very
collegial bunch.
SP: When you finished your PhD, did you do post doc work?
HB: Yeah. So then I went to the East Coast. I went to Harvard. And I did three
years of post doc there. So during my last couple years with Bob at Caltech I
became-- and I told you how I got interested in polymers and macromolecules
because I was interested in not only their structure, but their function, like
what they did. I'm interested in organic molecules and I was making all sorts of
molecules with Bob. But I was also interested in, well what can these things do?
Now that we have them, like can we use these to learn something about the
structure of compound? And I was looking at these in the context of peptides. So
really, you know, little, tiny proteins.
And I knew when I did a post doc I wanted to go somewhere where I could further
that interest in sort of molecules with biological function. So not the polymer
00:12:00function, but the biological function. And I wanted to go somewhere where I
could do that. So I went and worked for Stuart Schreiber at Harvard, who had
developed a really rich program in what is now sort of called chemical biology.
So it's chemistry and biology kind of mixed together.
SP: Now how did you get connected with him?
HB: Well I applied. I wrote him a letter and I said, here's my CV and this is
what I've done. Would you be interested in having me join your lab? So I had to
go and interview with him and everything to make sure it would be a good fit.
SP: And you were there for?
HB: Three years.
SP: Three years. OK. And talk about that experience.
HB: Well that was really sort of life-changing in some ways-- research-changing,
maybe. Because it really expanded my view of science. Because my graduate career
had been very, very chemical. But now I was sort of learning not just chemistry,
but also sort of opened up the world of biology to me. And I was just fascinated
with it. I mean it's just amazing.
SP: Do you take classes too when you're a post doc?
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HB: No.
SP: You just do the research.
HB: You just do research. So it's like a wonderful period of time because you
don't have any-- like when you're a graduate student there's sort of little
hurdles that you have to keep jumping through. Like little requirements. There's
nothing when you're a post doc.
SP: You don't teach?
HB: Nothing.
SP: Just do your research.
HB: Just do research and it's fabulous. But it's a very short period of time and
you know at the end of it you're going to have to find a job, so it's great, but
you know it's going to come to an end. So it's great, but it's also a little bit stressful.
SP: Well what happened when it came to the end then?
HB: Well when I came to an end I wanted to look for academic jobs. So by that
time I had become very sort of interested in biology, biological aspects, I
wanted to be somewhere in a chemistry department, but where I could ask a lot of
biological questions with my chemical research. So I wanted to go someplace
where that type of work would be appreciated. So someplace like UW-Madison is
someplace where that's appreciated. There's really strong-- probably almost the
00:14:00strongest worldwide research base here in terms of sort of chemical biology. And
I wanted to come and sort of be part of that.
SP: So you knew that?
HB: I knew that, so when I saw that this job was-- there was a posting. I was
like, I'm applying. That's like my dream job. And luckily, my husband's also an
academic and he's in the College of Engineering here. He was applying for jobs
too and there was an opening in chemical engineering. I was like, oh my God.
This is like the dream job. So it took a long time for it to work out. He got
the offer and then I eventually got the offer and it took a while. But it
eventually worked out.
SP: Then when was that? When did you come here?
HB: We came here in July 2002.
SP: Is it what you expected?
HB: Most days, yeah. I'd say most days it is. There's things that you don't see
from the outside when you're interviewing. There's politics, there's struggles
and strife, but on a day to day basis it's great.
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SP: Talk about the culture of the Chemistry Department.
HB: I think it really is a unique department, granted I haven't been in any of
the other departments and I haven't been here that long. But just from talking
to my older colleagues who have interacted with other departments across campus,
it's an extremely well run department. Very egalitarian. Everyone has to make
some sort of contribution. It's not like certain people don't have to do
anything, but other people then have to pick up the flack. Everyone sort of has
their part in the puzzle and is very committed to the cause, and feels a lot of
pride in this place. And it really is unique. I mean I have lunch with-- all of
the organic faculty at least, we have lunch every week together where we just
hang out and talk about issues, or just talk about non-scientific issues or
department issues, which is really nice. A lot of places don't do that. And
they've been very, very supportive of their junior faculty here. They bring in
00:16:00good people and they give them as much room to grow and sort of resources, and
kind of shield them from a lot of administrative duties and onerous teaching
issues. And kind of give you a little bit of time to bloom. So they've been very
supportive of me, which I'm really appreciative of.
SP: What about the students, are they what you expected?
HB: The students are great. And I told you how we at UW, especially in
chemistry, there's a real strength in this chemical biology area, and I have a
number of older colleagues who have been working in this area. So they've been
attracting students in this area. So when I got here, people were already
applying who were interested in this sort of area. So that was really good. So I
already have like-minded students who come in, we don't have to coerce them into
what I'm doing.
SP: Now, was this building built after, completed after you got here? You're in
a new building.
HB: Actually, you're in-- this is the original. This is 1962 building.
SP: Oh this is the '62.
HB: Yeah, it's hard to tell.
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SP: You're right. I came in the new building.
HB: Yeah, so the new building's actually over there. So that addition was put up
in 2000. So that was sort of relatively new when I got here.
SP: So this has been your office and your lab is right here?
HB: My lab is right around the corner.
SP: How do you like the physical facilities?
HB: It's really good. I mean this is the oldest part of the building, but when
they added the new addition to it, they renovated most of the space.
SP: That's beautiful.
HB: Yeah, it's really nice. Actually, the layout in the older part is-- for what
we do, which is kind of chemistry and biology, the space is a little bit more
flexible in the older building. So it's good.
SP: Would you talk more about your research. What you're doing today, how it's
funded, how it's changing.
HB: Yeah, so what do we do? Obviously, I keep mentioning this chemical biology
term. So I'm trained as an organic chemist, but I guess I'm secretively trying
to become a biologist. So I shouldn't be taping this. I am interested in small
molecule signaling. And I'm interested in signaling in bacteria. So bacteria are
00:18:00obviously, of a lot of interest because there's a tremendous need for us to
further understand how they live, either as individual cells or in groups. And
this is really important because it plays a role in infection. And I'm
interested broadly, like the biological area that we're broadly sort of
targeting in terms of human health is infectious disease. And so I'm interested
in specific signaling pathways that bacteria use, and they use these very simple
organic molecules. And they sort of shoot these out at each other and they can
sense them. And when they get to a certain cell number they're like hey, there's
lots of these molecules around. That must mean there's lots of cells around.
Hey, there's a big group of us around. Let's do something as a group that we
wouldn't do if there were just a few of us around. Because as a group it's like
mob mentality. We can invade and just conquer as opposed to a few cells. And
00:19:00that's how a lot of pathogens infect. They only infect when they've got to a
certain cell number.
SP: So I'm interested in trying to understand those signaling processes because
if we could block those processes, that would be a way to keep bacteria from
behaving badly. And that would be a new strategy to control infectious disease.
HB: In turn, there are bacteria, which use these signaling processes to assess
their population density. And then when they're in the group state, they
actually do good things. So symbiotic bacteria who live with their host, like in
your gut. There's lots of bacteria that live in your gut. It sounds kind of
gross, but it's really important that you have all these bacteria down there.
Because they do really beneficial things for your. They help digest food, they
protect you actually from bad pathogens. And a lot of those behaviors only occur
when there's a certain concentration or certain number of the cells around. So
if we could promote that, like a probiotic strategy, that would be really
beneficial too for human health. So we're looking at ways to intercept and
divert these signaling processes. And what's really cool is these signals are
00:20:00all really simple, organic molecules that my lab can make. So we can synthesize
these and we can make different variants of them and to try and perturb these
conversations back and forth and see what happens. So that's what we're doing.
SP: Fascinating. So how's your research funded?
HB: So we're funded, thank goodness. It's a tough funding climate. But we're
funded through the NIH, so the National Institutes of Health. And certain
aspects of it are funded through the NSF, so that's National Science Foundation.
And then I have some small private funding from private foundations too, like
smaller chunks of money, which fund sort of other smaller aspects of what we do.
SP: How many people do you have in your lab?
HB: I have 11 people right now. 10 graduate students, 1 visiting scholar from
Germany and then, I guess I have more-- I have 13 people. Then I have 2
undergrads too.
SP: So what is it like working with the graduate students.
HB: Oh, they're great. That's the best part. They're wonderful. Yeah, so they're
00:21:00really fun to work with and to motivate and to let them take things in there--
just like how I said I loved graduate school because I could kind of drive, it's
wonderful to see them eventually just sort of pick up and go. They're like, see
you. I'm going down this way with it. And it becomes their baby, which is
really-- that's what a PhD should be. It's not me telling them exactly what to
do because then you're a technician, right? To get a PhD you have to become a
master of a certain area. And you know more about it than anyone else in the
world, right? That's essential. So then you have to drive. So I like to see that
in my students. So I don't try to micromanage them too much.
SP: Do you have to teach them how to write?
HB: Yes.
SP: Now you have to do a lot of writing. Does that come easy to you?
HB: Some days. It's a tremendous amount of writing. I mean this job has slowly
just become all writing, really is what this job is. You're either writing
grants or you're writing papers. And it's good. You have to be able to
00:22:00communicate what you do to the outside world to get money and so people actually
know what you're doing. But yeah, teaching them how to write is also a big part
of the job.
SP: How do you do it? What's your technique?
HB: Well I like to see them write a draft. And then I go through that draft with
them and tell them how we need to change it. And then, usually once we've gone--
the first one can be a bit brutal. But then, it depends though. Some students
come in, they've had more writing experience than others. Or if English is not
their first language, then it becomes even more challenging. I tell them to look
at a paper that we recently wrote. You know, they might not have written it, but
look at how we lay that out and the logic of that. You know, apply that logic to
your data.
But I find that I think the hardest thing for them is to write the introduction
to a paper. Why am I actually doing this? And then the conclusion. Well now that
00:23:00I've done this, what does this tell me? Those are hard. Those are the questions
which you only really acquire after you've really been immersed in the area for
a long time. And those are the hardest part to write. So that's what I've found
is, you know, spending time getting them to see that is important.
SP: Talk about your teaching responsibilities.
HB: OK, so I teach organic chemistry to undergraduates. So that's usually a big
class, like 300 people. That's a required class for most biology students,
chemistry students, engineering, like chemical engineering or biomedical
engineering, pharmacy. So it's a huge number of people take that class.
SP: Now you're not the only one though. Are you the--
HB: I'm the only one-- well, we have different sections. So there's those other
sections which have 200, 200, 200. Yeah, we teach about 1,100 a semester. So
there's maybe four sections. And I teach either 200 or 300 of them.
SP: Do you enjoy that?
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HB: Actually, I do. Some aspects of it I do. I try to energize them a bit about
it. But most of them are terrified of organic chemistry, like they think it's
this horrible course that's going to kill them. It's going to keep them from
going to medical school. So I try to convince them that it really isn't that
bad. And I also them that some people actually like it so much they go on and
get PhDs in organic chemistry. They're like no. I'm like, yeah. Who do you think
I am, right?
I always try to convince them that it's really not that bad.
SP: Now do you ever get to see them one on one or is that--
HB: Oh yeah. Then there's office hours, so they come in and see me. So yeah,
that actually gets a little bit-- you have to control that. Because the more
access you give them, the more they want to come. And if you're like accessible
I think and they don't see you as this scary, crusty professor, then they're at
your door even more often. So you have to control that because otherwise it will
eat all of your time up.
SP: Now do you do anything online with them?
HB: Not really. The grading and that kind of stuff. And I have a website where
00:25:00we post stuff up there for them, but nothing-- I'm not really a master of that
kind of stuff. And I have a pretty bare bones website where I just put the
basics up.
Then I teach an undergraduate laboratory class to upper level undergrads, which
is a great class. It's called Chem 346. I've been redeveloping this course over
the past five years to change it and make it a better class with new labs. And
they actually have to write up a really extensive lab report where they do a lot
of writing. So I'm trying to get them to do some writing because these students
need to learn some writing because they're not learning it elsewhere. So I make
them write. It's writing intensive, it fills one of these writing intensive
credits for the University, which is very few of those that science classes do.
So that's kind of cool. That's been a lot of fun. That's my baby. I love that class.
SP: How many students in that?
HB: About 25.
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SP: Oh, that's a nice size.
HB: It's a great class. And they're all chemistry majors most often. So it's
really good. And then I teach a graduate class to the first year graduate
students on organic chemistry. So this is more complicated organic chemistry.
And that's a hard class to teach because the material is a lot more complicated
and the students are very demanding with regards to it. Because you know,
they're very energized and cutthroat about it. So it's a fun class because
everyone's motivated and excited, but the material is at such a higher level
that it can be-- I've got to be on my toes all the time. But with the
undergraduate class, the stuff is pretty-- I mean, the material's really basic.
It's like breathing. A lot of the stuff is like, I don't know how to teach this
because it's like I don't think about it. But the other course is a bit harder.
SP: Now as a beginning faculty member, are you required to do committee work,
administrative work?
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HB: You have to do a bit. So you need to do some. You have to have some. Your
tenure decision is based on three things, right? So research, teaching and
service. Research and teaching I think are the higher level ones. You need to
have done a little bit of service to your department to show that you have some
commitment to it. I've been involved with the admissions, so I do graduate
admissions for our organic area. And last year I was put in charge of it
completely, but I've been gradually ramping up to that. So that's been my
service, which is a very time-consuming aspect.
SP: Do you have any opportunities to get outside your department, to meet other
women, or just other faculty?
HB: Yeah. There's a number of people in biochemistry because I collaborate with
people in biochemistry, people in bacteriology. people in plant pathology. So I
interact with them. And that's important because our research is getting quite
00:28:00biological, so I need to have contacts in those places so my students can learn
techniques and things like that. And I have some contacts with people in
chemical engineering also. So yeah, I'd say the younger faculty, the assistant
faculty in those departments I'm aware of and I know.
SP: Are you involved in that mentoring program? Isn't there a mentoring program--
HB: There's a women faculty mentoring program. Yeah, I'm not involved with that.
It just didn't happen. Luckily in this department I have some great mentors.
Laura Kiessling who is 12 years older than me. She's in this department. She's
fabulous. And being able to be her colleague was a huge-- I mean just that is a
decision making factor to come here because she's so great. And she's a
wonderful mentor to me. But then there's also been male mentors. So Sam Gellman
is here. He's been here for over 20 years. He's also in the chemical biology
00:29:00area and has really been positive and great.
SP: I think I know the answer to this question then just from what you've said.
But what about the climate for women on the campus? Do you think it helps or
hinders people's advancement?
HB: I don't know. I was thinking about this the other day because we've been
talking about diversity issues in chemistry and how we need to hire more women
and like, I'm the only woman who's been hired in eight years. And I'm this
little statistic. I just sort of have been gender blind. You know, I just sort
of proceed forward and I just don't really think about hey, I'm the only-- I
mean now and then I'm like, wow. I'm the only woman here. It doesn't really have
that much of an impact on me. It'd be great to have some more women here just in
terms of-- we can interact with a female colleague differently than you can with
a male colleague. That's just how it is. You can talk more easily about certain
00:30:00things. I mean that would be beneficial, but I don't think-- it's not like
something I lay up at night and wish there were more of. I haven't let it really
slow me. And I think about it, when I was deciding on what department to come to
and my husband and I had a number of offers, the issue of how many women were on
the faculty was not an issue. I was like I want to go someplace with the best
science. That was it. That was not a deciding factor for me, having that. But
then again, I just told you that having Laura here, that was important.
SP: Yeah, and she's a great scientist and a woman.
HB: Yeah, it was really the science, right? She's a woman, yeah. That's great.
But the science is really fantastic. And her and my research interests are
really synergistic.
SP: What about students, what is the ratio of male to female students?
HB: Here we have when we let in-- I know this at least for the organic students
00:31:00it's 50/50 are graduate students. We do see more of them leaving though. So by
the time they graduate it's probably down to about 30/70.
SP: Oh, that's interesting.
HB: Yeah. So that's an issue that we're thinking we need to deal with.
SP: What about the people that are in your lab?
HB: 50/50 in my lab.
SP: Well that's fun.
HB: Yeah. I try to keep it. I actually have some female colleagues who are at
other universities and they find themselves attracting all the women, so then
their lab becomes all women. And I think it's good to have some balance.
SP: I'm going to switch gears just a little bit. Are you involved in
professional organizations? And if you are, do you find that that's important to
your career?
HB: I'm a member of several professional organizations. So the American Chemical
Society, the American Society for Microbiology and then the American-- what is
00:32:00it? The triple A, so the American Society for the Advancement of Science.
Something like that. Yeah, something like that. American Association for the
Advancement of Science. That's A-A-A-A. But I'm not active in any of those
things. I mean I'm a member. I get the magazine. I get some of the benefits, but
I'm not--
SP: You think you will be?
HB: I'm too young. And just recently some of my colleagues were asking me if I
wanted to be on one of these steering committees in the ACS. I'm considering it.
But right now it's more-- like what I'd get out of that, I'm not sure how-- it's
not something that I see of utmost importance right now.
SP: I can imagine with the time constraints that you must--
HB: Yeah. If I was going to be on committee I'd rather have it somewhere in my
direct-- like on campus or in the department. Someplace where it's going to
actually impact my direct environment. You know, there's things that you see as
00:33:00you've been here for a while that, hm, I'd like-- it'd be nice if we could alter
that. Sometimes the only way that you can actually alter something is for you to
become in charge of it. And I can see myself looking to do certain aspects of
that later on, but in terms of like committee work on a nationwide scale, no.
SP: I'm sure you'll be giving invited papers.
HB: Oh yeah. So that I've been doing. So I've been giving invited talks at
meetings and at other universities. That aspect is part of being-- but serving
on committees for those societies, that's not--
SP: How do you like giving the papers?
HB: Oh, that's fun. Yeah, that's really good. It's fun to go out and you sort of
meet new people at these departments. And sometimes you get really good
feedback, which is useful.
SP: Talk about awards and honors that you've received. I know you're early in
your career, but I also know that you've received some.
HB: Yeah, I have. I recently received a couple of awards. This year actually,
00:34:00which is pretty cool. I got an award from 3M. So they give out an award, it's
called the Non-tenured Faculty Grant. It's just a small chunk of money, but they
give that to you, and it's just flexible money to work on your research. So
that's nice, 3M being a local, relatively local player in Minneapolis. And I
recently received a Young Investigator Award from DuPont. So that's another
chemical company that's interested in supporting young faculty and giving them
unrestricted funding, which is nice because it's hard to get unrestricted
funding. Everything's usually kind of earmarked for certain things.
And then I got an award I'm really proud of just a couple of weeks ago, which is
called the Camille Dreyfus Teacher-Scholar Award. So the Camille Dreyfus
Foundation is a foundation founded by Camille and Henry Dreyfus to support
research in the chemical sciences. So for chemical people, this award is really
00:35:00good for younger faculty. And it's an award, which recognizes people who have
initiated a great research program, but also are committed to teaching. So
you're called a teacher-scholar. So I just received that. So that I feel
really-- I'm very proud of.
SP: That's great.
SP: Well we've come to the last questions in the interview. And this takes you
away from work. If you would talk about your life after work. Could you talk
about your family. How you balance your work and your family. How you stay
energetic and healthy to get all of this done. And what do you do for fun and
relaxation when you're not working?
HB: OK, so unfortunately I wish there was more time away from here to do all
those things. So I don't have any kids yet, my husband I, we're thinking about
that for the near future. When I'm not here I obviously like to spend time with
him and our friends outside the lab doing usually outdoor things. I love to go
hiking and camping. I like to run. So I try and run as much. We live near a
00:36:00conservancy out in Middleton, so I like to run through that. And my husband
likes to cycle.
What else do we do to keep sane? I love to cook, so one thing I love to do when
I'm not traveling around is actually make a nice meal at home and cook. I find
that very sort of satisfying.
SP: Do you have to do a lot of traveling?
HB: Yeah, there's a lot of traveling, especially lately.
SP: Both of you?
HB: Yeah, because we've been giving a lot of talks. But we also like to travel a
lot. So Dave and I like to take one trip to some tropical destination each year.
We don't buy each other Christmas presents because we just use that money. We
save it to have a nice trip at some point.
SP: So where did you go last year?
Last year, well we went to Puerta Vallarta in Mexico, which was nice. And the
year before that we went to Costa Rica. And we've been to Mayan Riviera near
00:37:00Belize. Usually it's somewhere warm. So it's nice to go in January. I think this
year we're going to branch out and go somewhere, perhaps maybe Thailand or
something like that. Yeah, we do love to sort of travel.
SP: Sounds like you've got some time to yourself.
HB: Yeah. Well we just make that. This work will expand to fill every minute if
you let it. I mean it will. It never ends. It's not like it's ever done.
SP: Do you ever sit down and count how many hours you work?
HB: Oh yeah. Yeah, we do. It's a lot. Yeah. So that's why I think we sort of
force ourselves to take these breaks. Because otherwise, if we're here in town,
we'll usually be here in our offices.
SP: Do your parents still live in Ohio?
HB: They do. So they live in Ohio. So unfortunately, it's 10 hours driving
00:38:00almost. So it's not the straightforward, easy quick visit. But you can fly their
direct now luckily, on Continental. So it's nice you can fly to Cleveland. So
yeah, I see them and that's good.
SP: Well we've come to end of the interview. But I don't want to turn the tape
off if there's anything-- and we did go through this rather quickly. But again,
I appreciate the fact that you had this much time and if there's anything else
that you'd like to get on tape before I turn it off please feel free to keep talking.
HB: I think we've pretty much hit all the highlights. I feel very privileged to
be involved in this. I think it's a great project and I'll be interested to see
how it all comes out.
SP: Well thank you very much for doing it.
HB: Thank you.
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